SPEAKER_03 2:18

Just barely made it.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Made it somehow.

SPEAKER_06 2:22

Just barely hanging in there, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

I mean, do you remember where you were 249 years ago?

SPEAKER_06 2:29

It was really dark. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:35

He was in the abyss.

SPEAKER_06 2:38

Exactly. Oh man. Yeah. I think I I think I was at I don't know where I was. Yorktown. That's where I was. Where are you now, Rob? That's the question. Hey, what's up? Hey. Hey, hey, what's up?

SPEAKER_04 2:52

Good, good. How are you guys? Good. Good. Doing really well.

SPEAKER_08 2:56

Managed to be a bit more. Sorry for that. More than a couple.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

I've been busy.

SPEAKER_08 3:06

Dude, where are you? That's not how you're checking my own.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

You look like you've reconfigured your uh different plates. We have guests, and my office is a guest room. So now I'm squatting my wife's office. Then she has a laser cutter. She has a tools desk.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

I see a little dog.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

She has like workbench, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 3:25

Is that a real dog or is that animated?

SPEAKER_04 3:27

Is that a it's it's UConn. It's the real dog.

SPEAKER_06 3:30

Oh the real dog.

SPEAKER_08 3:32

Wow. Oh nice. Where are you, Rob? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_06 3:38

I am in Camas, Washington on a walk, and then it's where uh Kathy's parents live. So it's just down the Columbia River from Vancouver, Washington, and across the river from Portland. And we'll shortly be dri driving up to Lake Shillan. Wow. Where we'll be spending the 4th of July.

SPEAKER_08 3:56

So you guys are escaping the heat, right? Because the the eastern half of the country is frying right now. I think Washington, DC is gonna be 110.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Yeah, the whole East Coast is 100 plus. I'm actually still here in Bellevue, Washington, so it's about 65 degrees and over here, which is perfect.

SPEAKER_06 4:21

So do we think that with the heat on the left, the right half of the country, plus all the fireworks, we could create the first fusion reaction? Maybe. I'm just curious. I'm just curious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:43

Hey, well, I was just go ahead. No, no, no. I was just gonna usher in the episode by saying happy 250th birthday, United States. Happy 4th of July. Hopefully everybody will remain safe. And um, hopefully your air conditioning will work um over the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

And the grid stays up.

SPEAKER_08 5:11

Yeah. And remember to take us seriously at your own risk. At this point, if you don't have a sense of humor, uh, you don't have an appetite for extreme sarcasm and or an appetite for destruction. Yes, then you should quit watching right now because this is education on another level. This is this is all about being real, this is all about being um you know practical about it. Yeah, and having fun doing it. And it's very, very fun. So uh if you do go beyond this point, take out insurance, especially if you take it seriously. If you try to do any like kind of weird stuff with the information that's shared here, um uh actually it might actually work out for you, but yeah, you're on your own. So, yes. Uh happy fourth, guys. Happy 200th USA USA, even for the French guy.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

Yeah, yes. Well, I'm I'm both. I am both. Yeah, you're both. Yes, and I'm not going to say that live on on camera. It's a bit risky these days.

SPEAKER_06 6:30

No, no, no, it's no, it's it's all good, man. France was America's first friend.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

That's right. We should be celebrating the fourth without France. So that's your matter of fact. Yeah, a lot of help.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_08 6:55

Maybe it's a subtle reminder that we had allies and we had help.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

Yeah, and then we offered that statue to the US. Yes, 1876.

SPEAKER_06 7:05

Yeah, and think about all the all the great French thinkers that were thinking about democracy and other concepts that we have braced here. Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_04 7:15

So much love for France. Yeah, they're still trying to figure it out in France as well, right? So we find the concept of France invented democracy.

SPEAKER_06 7:25

So there you go. Yeah. Oh my god. So somebody tried it out. That's why they call it an experiment. We're still experimenting with it.

SPEAKER_08 7:36

Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our face. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

And make sure we could have simulated that with a big digital twin, right? Ooh, yes.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Statue of Liberty.

SPEAKER_06 7:50

We're gonna do a billion simulations of democracy, you know, in a few in a few seconds in a digital twin worldview twin to see what works. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a good idea. We can try that.

SPEAKER_08 8:06

You know. Digital twinning democracy. That's the name of the episode.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

Just ingest the entire you know, internet in terms of data. You you create a twin, try to build a nice model, and then you you shove it some AI on top of that in agents that's gonna figure out how that will work as a democracy.

SPEAKER_07 8:27

Well, that's the complete opposite of what you want to do.

SPEAKER_06 8:32

I don't know, maybe, but you're gonna you're gonna try a billion different ways, and lots of them are gonna fail, but maybe one of them works out.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

You know, you know, probably more than one out of a billion.

SPEAKER_08 8:43

Yeah, you don't create your yeah, you don't create your ontology on top of Twitter, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

Or like like you don't use 4chan as your training material, is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_06 8:59

Oh boy. If you use 4chran, then you may get much of what happened in the 20th century in Europe.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Right there you go.

SPEAKER_08 9:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, so guys, uh, since um Rob and I have been holding down the fort with uh uh uh I think a number of episodes where it was just uh Rob and I think nobody loves us anymore. Actually, um, yeah. What have you guys been up to? Let's start with Bill. Dude, we missed you, man.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

What's up? No, I you know, every time I'm like, I'm like, oh, I gotta I gotta jump on, I gotta jump on. But I mean, you know, of course, business and money comes first.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Uh so I mean, so I mean, we we've got some good stuff coming, man. I mean, I think I think I mentioned it before, you know, we're doing some things with some with some cities, we're doing some things with some stadiums, we're doing some things we were literally, and and I've been very upfront about this. My goal is not to go, I I don't have the goal of just going, it's just cities, it's just this, it's just that. My goal is to go as broad as possible. Yeah, increase that jam and let the let the use cases take it deep. Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

Increase that jam, Sam. Yeah, you know, sometimes when when Bill's talking about showing me the money, it sometimes reminds me of Bob Sugar. It ain't show friends, it's show business.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah, there you go. 100%. I mean, look, that's I mean, that's that for the most part, that's really been what what it is. And and I mean, I just you know, the I'm very serious about watching all of this stuff. I am so tired of all of this. Every time I open up LinkedIn, there's somebody talking about here's how you master Claude.

SPEAKER_08 10:50

It's like it's the new prompt engineering, dude. Are we doing this again?

SPEAKER_06 10:57

It's we're doing it again.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

You as long as there's tech, there's going to be how can you come on here and I'm like, I am not gonna drop the F bomb, not once. I'm not gonna say this, and I'm not I'm not gonna say that. I'm not I I come on with the greatest of intent, and then all of a sudden it's like I'm reminded.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

That's the question.

SPEAKER_06 11:21

What does your shirt say?

SPEAKER_03 11:24

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Oh what does the fox say? Fox hasn't said shit in a minute.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

It's been a while, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 11:36

By the way, Rob, speaking of that, I actually watched Jerry Maguire on the plane the other day. That was uh great refresh.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

That one part there where he's talking to him, and then Rod Tillman is the only guy who has the only guy. He's like, he's I want you to say it with me. I'm like that exactly that in my soul.

SPEAKER_06 12:00

You know, I love that movie so much. You're loving me now, huh, Jerry? Yeah, yeah. You know, other other players may have the coin, but I have the quan. The quan, yes, and that's what we have here in IOT Coffee Talk. We have the Quan. No one says the Quan, but we have the Quan. We got the love, the respect, the coin. We got it all.

SPEAKER_08 12:26

Ah man. We got Mark. Yeah, we got Mark. We got Mark. We got you, both of you guys representing Qualcomm, dude. Heavy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:38

What happened?

SPEAKER_04 12:40

You know, all of a sudden, all the gravity went it's in the news, man. Qualcomm is no longer just about um cell phone chips, right? It's about everything AI. We are all Qualcomm. That's good. We are all Qucomm.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Wait, wait, you're all Quarry.

SPEAKER_06 12:55

Are you saying yes, but you're all Qualcomm. Qualcomm has adopted a unique strategy where it's everything AI. I don't think I've ever heard that before lately. Wow, all right. Actually, I you know, we've talked about this before. I think the best thing Qualcomm has done in the recent history is go, huh? There's sure a lot of chips in cars. And if we put snapdragons in cars, that might be a great business. And then they did it, and they did it. And it is a great business. Awesome.

SPEAKER_08 13:27

Genius. They'll get there. They're not, they're not fuel uh fully diffused into ADAS yet, but um, yeah, they have progress. Yeah, they are. I mean, compared to everyone else, I mean they're and uh you know the secret is this, and this is like uh is probably uh a lesson for the broader IoT community, is they they started, they focused on ADAS two plus, you know, SA E level um two plus instead of doing all that level five crap, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:03

More practical right, right.

SPEAKER_08 14:05

It's practical. It it works, there's a market for it. And you know, think about AGI. That's like level five, you know, AI nonsense, right? Where who's talking about that crap anymore? Chinese pivoted the whole discussion toward coding, agents, practical, reliable. Practical.

SPEAKER_06 14:25

Yeah. We've talked about that on we talked about that on the pod here. We talked about a lot of hey, this is what we know works really well with AI. Let's there is there value here.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Return on tokens, not just tokens. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 14:38

Yeah, and we've learned all this stuff in uh in the IoT uh hype cycles already. It's just all these other guys are just you know late.

SPEAKER_06 14:48

We are like the ultimate, we are the ultimate hype cyclers, like in Tron. We are hype cyclers. That's right, man. Oh my oh my gosh. Such good times. Hey, I just want to say thanks to all you guys, man. Thanks for sending in quotes for the new book. It's gonna end up being a hardcover. I'm gonna spend more money, I'm gonna spend more money on printing to make it a hardcover.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Well, it's just like a coffee table book, like kind of a large formula.

SPEAKER_06 15:19

I I you know, yes, it's just like yeah, it's it's pictures of different sunsets on beaches, yeah, for the coffee table. Dogs dressed up in different costumes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, the the problem is the book was the book was right around 600 pages. And I've been working hard through the clever use of different fonts and different font sizes and other things. I've got it down to like four four seventy, four sixty. But it'll hold together better as a hardcover than a paperback.

SPEAKER_08 15:52

Uh you should uh you should send it to the World Economic Forum and you can start going to Davos, man. They need me at Davos. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

There's actually a World Economic Uh Forum. There's a there's a WEF meeting actually in the fall, Rob, and uh we should probably get your book in involved in that in San Francisco that we could be able to do. Okay, let's do it.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do it. I like that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Sponsor it. Edge AI Foundation sponsored copies for all the attendees or something.

SPEAKER_06 16:21

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I worked with the WEF guy. I worked with the WEF guys for a while. They had a whole subgroup working.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

Yeah, they have a whole they have some pretty cool, pretty cool gathering.

SPEAKER_06 16:33

Yeah. I mean they had a whole group that was working on like connected intelligence, IoT, and not the Davos stuff.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

The Davos stuff is kind of wacky, but the San Francisco stuff is pretty real.

SPEAKER_06 16:43

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. No, yeah, that's a that's a good idea. And there's so many conferences coming up, IoT conferences in Europe. Um, has anyone ever been to IoT Sparks in Valencia?

SPEAKER_05 16:58

No, you mean the IoT Starks clone?

SPEAKER_06 17:02

It's Sparks. It's like the guy from the is it the Laureate Laureate guy?

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Sparks. I haven't heard the Sparks one.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

Sparks, yeah, they've got it for, I don't know, just a few years. It's a one-day thing in Valencia. And and so they're like, yeah, come talk about your book, you know, and I know and I know we'll all be in Amsterdam for the things.

SPEAKER_08 17:23

Oh yeah. Oh, you're gonna be who's gonna be at things? I'm there. Oh, geez. Come on, Bill. Get your ass out there. Dude, hang out with us.

SPEAKER_04 17:34

Yeah, just a party veal. Not for the event.

SPEAKER_08 17:37

September. September. Yeah, man. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 17:41

22nd 23rd. Yeah, book those plane tickets. Absolutely. We're gonna have an edge AI uh lounge there. Uh with uh little theater and uh videos and coffee and all kinds of stuff. Crazy. That'll reel them in. That'll reel them in.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I am looking at my calendar right now. Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

I love that. I'll be there, dude.

SPEAKER_08 18:06

Yeah, I'm there for two things. I'm there for CPaaS, uh, you know, all this uh network network API stuff, you know, telco related. I'm gonna drop in, say hello to those guys. Um they're trying to get me to speak. Um I'll I'll I'll be uh well but I'm primarily there for uh um for uh the things conference. It just happened that they're having that conference at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

We should do a little panel discussion while we're there. Well let's let's hold a little bit. IoT coffee talk panel. Uh yeah. That's what we're doing. He's like, let's do some panels. I'm like, all right, that's I'm trying to come up with some ideas, but maybe this is this is a good one.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Or the panel panel discussion coffee shop or something.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, have our own little coffee shop.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yeah, the Amsterdam coffee shop. Yeah, so that's where the panel's gonna be. In a coffee shop.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

Bill's got another idea around coffee shops. That's a different coffee.

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Hey Mark, are we Mark? Are we doing IoT stores down there?

SPEAKER_08 19:12

At the Thinks conference, no.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

I'll be there anyway.

SPEAKER_08 19:17

We should, you guys should just let's do everything. I mean, think about like you know, this show like the nexus of everything. I'll be able to do that. Uh PAI Foundation.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

From whatever. Oh, we definitely should do a live show. For sure.

SPEAKER_08 19:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Sounds like we'll do some planning on that. Holy shit. And we might have a new Qualcomm Developer podcast as well.

SPEAKER_06 19:40

I don't know if Qualcomm has anybody that's good at doing podcasts. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

I'm gonna check and ask around.

SPEAKER_06 19:48

Ask around.

SPEAKER_08 19:49

You know, if you can't, it has he doesn't have anything to do with uh IoT or at least it directly, but if you can get John Smee, that dude is so friggin' hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Oh, John Smee from Qualcomm, yeah. He's great.

SPEAKER_08 20:02

Off camera, that guy.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Passed on to me. Uh yeah. We'll see.

SPEAKER_08 20:08

Hey John, what's up?

SPEAKER_03 20:11

Cool. Speaking of Jewish, I was in uh uh actually speaking of Statue of Liberty, I was actually in France for about a week after our London event, and I saw the original kind of smaller sculpture of the Statue of Liberty in the mission. Pretty cool. Pretty cool, small fabrication. But we had uh we had a big event at London a few weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, London.

SPEAKER_08 20:35

How was that?

SPEAKER_03 20:36

It was awesome. It was awesome. I was like um, it was our uh we're up about 30% in attendance from the year before. So we really packed up. Wow uh at the Pullman in London. It's very central. And um, yeah, we had more partners there than in San Diego, which was interesting. So it was packed.

SPEAKER_06 20:54

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Uh yeah, we're pushing some of the YouTube videos out now so you can see them, but really good keynotes and uh panels and fireside chats, and we had uh we actually had a uh all day kind of Arduino. We had the Arduino Ventuno Q world's first Ventuno Q uh workshop there for hands on that. We had NXP 820 first. Uh there you go, you got the Ventuno Q right there. So we had some cool workshops too, but it was fun. It was packed, and it was uh, you know, London was really cool, and we spent the week in London too, just kind of hanging out. We had a hardware pioneers event there as well, and we did panels uh at Hardware Pioneers, um and that was fun. But uh and the weather was good, so it wasn't hot. And uh but yeah, everything's happening in London. It's uh Texas event.

SPEAKER_08 21:44

You guys are you guys are lucky because when I was at DTW Copenhagen, um you know, I was hearing that was like a hundred and thirteen Well, there was a huge heat wave like a couple of weeks before.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Yeah, and that was like yikes. No, ours was we we made We got right in the window, um, where it was very nice. So even a little rainy one day. But uh but yeah, it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_08 22:08

Maybe I'll go next year just for the hell of it and we can go jam. I won't go for edge AI. Uh I I'll I'll I'll go there just to jam with you, dude.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

Our planning basically around Europe for next year is just to avoid the heat. Like we just need to figure out the place to go and the time of year to avoid the heat. So we'll probably do it earlier in the year, maybe in the first half of the year for Europe next year. Because it's just we did Milan the year before, and that was also a sweltering. So Europe in the summer.

SPEAKER_06 22:35

I mean, you know, Mark, it's just getting a little bit in Iceland.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

Oh, exactly. That would be great. Reykjavik.

SPEAKER_05 22:46

In January, you can go to Canary Island. And that's gonna be like uh very good. Yeah, that's not weather.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

Yeah, cool spot. Talking about talking about events, and um, I know the group here likes to uh dwell in the past and make um you know say hey, we've been doing that in the past already. Uh have you seen that post I I published when I was uh uh walking down Nimber Lane and and found that some videos of MEDC 27, 2007, where we were at the in in Vegas, the Venition, like huge IoT and mobile event, and we were uh building that we're we're having that competition of Sumo Bots controlling a vacuum base with little Windows CE box uh using robotic studio with a camera to track and push out the opponent, and it was like there's no AI, there's like you know, pure embedded computing. We're doing exactly the same thing we're asking people to do at workshops and hackathons with a little bot using AI.

SPEAKER_06 23:53

I was just like, yeah, it's all worked back then. Yeah, that was awesome.

SPEAKER_08 23:58

You know, no, but you know, dude, it it's so funny that you you yeah, it's a it's great to remind people um what you think is new is not new. I mean, when I talk to VCs, man, I'm telling you, some people are think that a 20-year-old idea that was that was the shit a long time ago, 20 years ago, is new. It's and then I have to tell them, no, this stuff is not new. And let me give you the genealogy of how this stuff has evolved. It's important, especially for startups, because some people think they have like this novel technology, but the technology doesn't translate into uh a novel solution, you know? So it's great that you I mean that that's a good idea. What are we trying to do?

SPEAKER_03 24:49

All those engineers, Olivier, have taken the voluntary retirement package from Microsoft.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.

SPEAKER_08 24:58

And then they're gonna be on YouTube throwing shit.

SPEAKER_06 25:02

They'll be on YouTube with their new ideas. You know, Olivia, you know, Olivia, you know what we proved is we can take a really cool club like Tao and just ruin the whole thing and fill it full of nerd guys, you know, with weather.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

And and the videos are awesome. I mean, you see the interviews and so on, you're just like, and and the quality of the video is so 20 or 30 years old that's your kind of right. What's the name of this announcer for the box announcer? Um, Michael something, was doing like let's ready, let's get ready to rumble.

SPEAKER_06 25:40

Ready to rumble, yeah. Isn't that awesome? And and you and you had yeah, Derek Snyder and Mike Hall like jumping into people's sessions and Microsoft was the announcer. Yes, yes. Remember, Microsoft has unlimited money, so you could do crazy shit like that. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_03 26:02

Never let budget get in the way of success. That's what our out that's what our motto was.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Oh wow, wow, those were the days, but yeah, everything old is new again, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:16

So we're still teaching folks how to play with the stuff and build stuff. And uh, but yeah, at the end of the day, Leonard, you're right. It's a it's about this solving the problem as opposed to making the tech.

SPEAKER_06 26:26

And uh, you know, the tech's the easy part. No, then you have the problem.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

But I guess there was you know, I think with Don, like for those who have been at Microsoft and these big companies who are innovating, like looking at problems today, trying solutions to solve them, not finding them, but then 20 years later, you you might have a different technical solution to the same problem because it's not been solved yet. Sure, right? But that we've looked at these problems, and it they've been here for a long time, and and some engineers have tried some solutions at the time, they weren't working, kind of. I'm not I don't know if it was like efficient or had a good ROI or whatnot, but uh yeah, the problems as long as they're not solved, you know, people will try new solutions of them.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Yeah, well, I mean, look at I mean Rob knows about agriculture, you know, agriculture's been around for thousands of years, right? And we've been trying to apply tech to agriculture since there's been the the the the invention of the plow, you know. So uh the problems are still there, and now we now we have more autonomous, you know, weed pulling systems and uh you know satellite-based uh drought inspection and uh Apple inspection with drones and stuff like that. But uh the tech keeps evolving, but the problems still are still there. So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 27:42

Hey, you know, you guys uh inspired in a new thought here. Innovation slop. So you guys mentioned how Microsoft um their policy was or whatever their mantra was, uh, you know, uh what was it? Budget, unlimited budget. Let budget get in the way of success. Yeah, yeah. I mean, think about all the slop that that creates. Because people think, oh yeah, we're innovative. Well, who gives a shit if you're inventing or imagining stupid crap, right? Or useless stuff. That you know, it's the quality of innovation and invention that matters. It's not like you have an influenced budget to explore every stupid idea out there.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

And think about it, Mike Leonard, you need all these stupid ideas to end up with one that works, you know? Um, like my stuff started with well, they started with MP3 player and then you know, Pocket PCs, now we have the iPhone. They started with tablet PCs, now we have actual tablets. That were this thing.

SPEAKER_08 28:41

Yeah, but but but hey, were MP3 players ever a really bad idea? I thought they were great ideas. The only problem was how do I get the music onto my library, onto the storage, and then what do we do about the quality? Uh but yeah, those are all solved, but I don't think the but I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

There is a there is a you know, and sometimes ideas pop up for one solution, and it turns out they're actually more applicable for something totally different. So, you know, sometimes the technology uh you know finds it either finds its solution that wasn't originally intended for or not. But I don't know. There's something something about letting letting a thousand flowers bloom. That being said, I don't want to be C that's you know um spending money on a thousand flowers, I want to spend money.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

You say that, you say that, and immediately the first thing that popped into my head was Viagra. Okay. I mean, because it was it was meant it was meant for people with heart problems, problems, yeah. Turned out it had a second order effect, and they were like, that's the market.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Let me try that pill.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

Yeah. Check it out. That was innovative.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

There you go. That's innovative. That's a that's a pro that's a solution that found a problem.

SPEAKER_06 30:04

So was the zoo was the zoom the end state for music? Or was that just a Zoom? No. I'm just I'm just thinking we had all these music players MP3, and then we got the iPod, and then of course Microsoft was in that phase of we're gonna copy people with Bing and Zune and other things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Well, but you know, so just to dig into the Zune world a little bit since I was on that team, the uh uh the the the platform uh Microsoft was in the portable music platform business, you know, before really before the iPod, right? And then and the classic licensing business where they thought everything was Windows and everyone would pay them licensing, and then got religion to say we just need to build something, which actually was the right idea was to build something. That's what they should have done with phones, too, is just build something. Um but they built it, you know, five or six years late. And too late, yeah, all that good stuff. But uh it's an interesting idea of like sometimes the tech, you know, is the the go-to-market becomes the problem, not the tech. So they had the they had the tech, they had the platform, they had all the pieces, they just uh you know, but they let the budget get in the way of success, right?

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Because they didn't go full always go to market.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Well, with Zune, I think we didn't have any budget issues with Zune, but um yes, with phone, you know, like the famous story. If you look watch Rob and I's nine-part series on YouTube, Windows Phone WTF, there's several points where they could have built phones and the bud because they sunk billions into Xbox, the executives at Microsoft were hesitant to get into the phone business because they had already dug a hole with Xbox at the time.

SPEAKER_06 31:45

Can we can we have a quick uh Steve Ballmer impersonation of that moment? So you're expecting me to buy HTC for a billion dollars, and I'm losing money hand over fist with this stupid Xbox thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Yes, a billion dollars, a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_06 32:02

Think about how think about how quickly people throw around a billion dollars these days like it's nothing.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Yeah, it's like an aqua hire these days, a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_06 32:09

It's like an aqua hire, exactly. So I think the takeaway here is build sooner.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

Yeah, bet on yourself to win. Bet on yourself to win. Don't bet on your partners to be make you successful, right?

SPEAKER_04 32:20

So yeah, and yeah. I was thinking about what you guys said earlier about you know, maybe some technology can solve some other random problems that you are not trying to solve. So maybe that's a good consulting business where you you go to companies and say, Hey, you have a solution, a technology, let me find all the scenarios and use cases you did not think about that might actually make you more money.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

That'd be a good service for VCs, actually. You go to a VC who's got a portfolio of 20 failing companies and say, Let me take all these ideas and find new homes for them, new, new, uh, new markets.

SPEAKER_06 32:53

That's actually a great idea.

unknown 32:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:55

You know, there's untouched, untapped use cases.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

TM trademark.

SPEAKER_06 33:00

TM. Yeah, there you go. TM, yes. All right.

unknown 33:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

There you go.

SPEAKER_06 33:06

Yeah. I love it. I love it. Oh my god. So what's everybody doing for the 4th of July tomorrow? Anything exciting? I want to know what Mark is doing.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Mark. Mark's keeping cool. That's what he's doing.

SPEAKER_05 33:22

Yeah, tomorrow it's Saturday. I don't know. Uh nothing happens here. Just another Saturday. What what happens in the in the US?

SPEAKER_08 33:30

You're not gonna wish us happy birthday, 250?

SPEAKER_05 33:33

Sure, yeah, happy birthday.

SPEAKER_08 33:37

Okay, thanks. Very enthusiastic.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

Yeah, we only celebrate defeat.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

So we don't say happy birthday.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

I see our national day.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

We have a we have a little neighborhood uh uh 4th of July party at the pool, and we do I'm actually running a uh trivia contest tomorrow. Really?

SPEAKER_08 34:06

I did your radio voice, okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

I'm gonna it's it's just American history content. So for example, do you know that three do you know which uh president was born on the fourth of July? Does anyone know?

unknown 34:21

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Calvin Coolidge.

SPEAKER_06 34:24

Oh, really? Wow. Wow, born on the fourth of July.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

And then the three the three presidents that died on the fourth of July.

SPEAKER_06 34:32

What?

SPEAKER_03 34:32

Three? There's three.

SPEAKER_06 34:34

Oh my gosh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Let's see. I know it was Jefferson and John Adams were two, and then there's a third, I think it was McKinley was assassinated, so that doesn't count.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

Couldn't you take the fireworks that got scared and had a heart attack something?

SPEAKER_06 34:48

Who did they have a heart attack? Oh heart attack has the fireworks, yeah. You never know. But that's a good way to, you know, because that's what Worf would say on Star Trek. That's a good way to die on the Fourth of July as the president. Captain Picard says today is a good day to die. Yes, exactly. You know, my favorite Fourth of July meme that I always see is that picture of George Washington on the horse pointing the sword. So, you know, hey Britain, I guess you gotta go to work tomorrow. It's just another day for you guys. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 35:26

Well, you know what? Um I a couple of years ago, I was in London for um uh during the fourth uh for an AWS event. And you know what? In London, they I I don't know if they they I don't know if you call a celebration, but they do make it a a bit of an event.

SPEAKER_04 35:44

Maybe they do that for the Americans who are celebrated to celebrate the day they got rid of that thing.

SPEAKER_08 35:51

Maybe yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

Maybe they're yeah, you celebrate the day your kids left home, right?

SPEAKER_08 35:57

Maybe maybe they've rehabilitated themselves. Yeah, that's like those those meddling kids. Um we would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for the meddling kids. It was it was nice. They there was a lot of stuff going on, actually. It was weird.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

Yeah. Probably for the expats, you know, and all that thing. But it'll be interesting to see tomorrow all the different things going on. I do you mentioned Leonard, we started the heat on the East Coast is just absolutely brutal. So uh but they'll do all the I remember when I lived in Boston, we used to have that thing on the Esplanade, the uh on the Charles River. They had the Fourth of July um thing uh with Boston Pops and all that.

SPEAKER_06 36:34

The Pops, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:36

I have a lot of I have a lot of IDC colleagues that are all in Boston, shocker, and they're all talking about the not so much the best way to get into town, but how to escape.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Um get out of yeah, it's gonna be a hundred, it's gonna be roasty. So everyone's looking for some area.

SPEAKER_08 36:56

Yeah, so is that beyond toasty? Roasty is oh yeah, more than toasty.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Toasty is nineties, roasty is a hundred.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Toasty is you're just you're just getting started. Roasty is you're cooked.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Yeah, exactly. Put a fork in you're done.

SPEAKER_06 37:13

Exactly. Put a fork. And as our friends in Phoenix would say, it's just another day. What's the problem?

SPEAKER_03 37:20

That's true. Yeah, yeah. And Phoenix, like uh our tech friends in Chandler, you know, they they they would always say, just don't look at the thermometer, just don't look at it. Just don't look at it. It's gonna be 110, whatever, but right, sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 37:34

So hey, let's talk tech really quick here. Okay. It seems like we talk a lot about water, I mean uh weather these days. So um what about like Meta trying to become a neo cloud? What do you guys think about that? Just one of the things.

SPEAKER_03 37:52

I'm trying to find the right words for what Meta's doing. And um cluster is the beginning of the word. I'm not sure what the the next word is.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Maybe Bill can fill in the blanks, but oh, oh, I got I was right there with you. All right, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

I mean, they're there, you know, apparently they're they've they've been cut off from using Gemini by Google because they're using Gemini too much in the development of their own AI stuff, which is failing. So they're dispelling. This is like metaverse all over again, another 80 billion dollars down the hole to become an AI company after not being a metaverse company. So I don't know. I'm I guess call me pessimistic on how this how this uh movie ends, but uh yeah, it seems like one mess after the other.

SPEAKER_06 38:36

Yeah, but you're isn't it amazing how quickly news moves the stock market? It's like you know, Zuckerberg has a dream about becoming a neo cloud, and the next day core weave and nebulous stocks just crashes, you know. It's and it's like, is it really gonna happen? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 38:53

Well, because the market is not trading on fundamentals anymore, right? It's just basing on the market.

SPEAKER_08 38:57

It's a meme market full-on meme market, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:00

But no, I can't imagine Facebook being a neo cloud. I mean, and and they can't even figure out their own kind of internal AI strategy and development of AI models.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

So because they haven't invented shit or innovated on anything. I mean the like button.

SPEAKER_06 39:18

Oh, like button. That's the last innovation they had. Like button, and and they're innovating the hell out of PHP.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

Yes. Oh, and they will spin out, they will what mark my words, they will spin out the wearables business. They will spin it out.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

It'll be a dumb.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

No question. No question. It does not fit at all with anything that they're doing, and it has a lot of promise. I mean, they have some great people working on stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

But I can't imagine some people, they've got some stiff competition with with oh, yeah, no, no question.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Lots of wearable platforms out there, lots of cool innovation. But you know, I could definitely see that spinning out as a fairly viable standalone business. Um has nothing to do with neo cloud and making AI models and everything else Zuckerberg wants to do.

SPEAKER_02 40:05

But the minute, the minute anything ties back to Zuckerberg, it it will invariably flop.

unknown 40:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 40:13

Yeah, you know, that's a good point. See, uh, you know, people think that these guys, because they had early successes, quote unquote successes, how they got there, you know, uh interesting. But they aren't all that much, they're not they tend not to be that innovative or uh successful afterwards, right? They're just riding on that initial wave that they create.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Although, here's a counterpoint to my point uh of uh of saying that Meta's gonna fail is you know, Amazon that started as a company selling books, actually ended up building quite a impressive cloud business as a neo cloud. Not even a neo cloud provider, just cloud, just plain old hyperscale.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Yeah, but they've been but their model has been to use it for themselves to develop it for themselves first to serve the previous business. Yes. And then say, oh, actually, we can make money by selling.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

You can see Facebook saying I'm building up my they have tons of cloud infrastructure they're using for their own services, right? And so how do they turn that into a monetizable business?

SPEAKER_04 41:11

But is it is it innovation? Like they're basically solving a problem that they're having for a business and then figuring out the innovation is on the business side of things, right? It's like exactly to make it a business rather than just to use it for themselves, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:25

But I mean, but if it if you're if you're all right, so everyone kind of asks the questions, but you know, if you if you have a solution, it's like, oh, where are you at? Are you in GCP, AD, AWS, or or Azure? I mean, those are the hyperscalers that are winning right now, right? I mean, there's only those. But now there's now there's you got Nebbius that's showing up, and they're they're like, hey, wait a minute, you you want this GPU stuff, this is where you go, and this is what you're doing. At the end of the day, who is gonna trust Meta's cloud?

SPEAKER_03 41:59

Well, that's the issue is if you're selling enterprise, so there's cloud knows this. It's like, you know, you got Microsoft, you got Google, you got AWS, big fortune 500 hyperscaler thing. Then you got the next level of cloud, which is cheaper and more flexible. And that's like Vulture and and uh you know Core Weave and these other folks, right?

SPEAKER_06 42:19

And how about the IBM cloud?

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Yeah, I be yeah, and the Oracle Cloud, the Oracle Cloud, right? And so, you know, they'll compete, they won't compete on trust as much as they'll compete on price and availability, and maybe some cool services that are a little more pre-packaged and prefab for SaaSes and stuff. But so you know, it's just a different level of the of the market, right? You sell you've got the Mercedes cars up here, and then you've got the Chevy Chevelle down here, and uh Chevelle over here.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

And I mean, I would like in I would like in the the whole Meta Cloud to uh Gremlin or something like that. You know, uh Pacer. The Pacer, yeah, you know. I mean, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't even call Oracle Cloud, I would call it Oracle Puff. Oh, ouch.

SPEAKER_06 43:17

It's a little bit of smoke. They're spending a lot of money building that cloud out, I tell you.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

They're hosting TikTok on it, aren't they hosting TikTok on it? The U.S. research.

SPEAKER_06 43:26

You know what? Actually, that's pretty impressive. The fact that they host Byte Dance on OCI. That's one of the most stressful systems on the planet. So props for that.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Yeah, but I don't think they're I don't think they're hosting the whole thing there. No, not the whole thing. You're right. Right. No. I mean they're yeah, anybody anybody can carve up multi tenancy and just go, I'm just gonna take this percentage and move it over here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 43:48

But you know what? It is interesting how the um the attitude in the room has changed in the neo the cloud, neo cloud space, you know. Know it was all like, hey, we gotta we just have to focus on building out. There's so much demand. All of a sudden you have uh certain players, customers actually of neo clouds, like pure play neo clouds, suddenly saying, I have capacity and I'm going to monetize my capacity. That is new, and that is not healthy. No, it's gonna be a race to the bottom. I mean, yeah, you would not expect this kind of pivot from XAI or uh, you know, because uh we have to remember three years ago, this was all about you know, like Stargate and building out gigawatts of uh you know data center, you know, capacity, which actually gigawatts is a horrible metric for uh you know AI capacity. It it's just stupid. Uh but yeah, it's think about how quickly it's changed. It's changed in like three less than three months. And where do you think?

SPEAKER_03 45:04

Remember the dot-comput huge overbuild on on uh fiber and all that, and then everyone's like, okay, we got capacity, and then it was like well, because now people are going, uh oh, this is how much the shit cost?

SPEAKER_08 45:17

Oh, no thanks. Yeah, yeah. Shutting you guys off.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

That's right, million-dollar token budget. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 45:24

And only TJ Maxxing, right, Rob? That's right, that's right. You know, I think this this the problem solver out there for a lot of these businesses is just having forward deployed engineers. If you have that, it's gonna solve all your problems. Did you see that blurb? Microsoft. Yeah. They're gonna create a separate company full of forward-deployed engineers for AI. They're gonna pull the guns in people's heads and say, use this co-pilot thing. Yeah, Google.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Wasn't it just a moment ago they were talking about how AI was your second brain and it's so easy to use, and all you need to do is this, and all you need to do is that. And it's yeah, and it's so simple. It's magic. Now we're gonna have these, we're gonna have these FDEs.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

Right. Um custom projects.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

Now, I want to know. I and I and and and Linnard, I said this on your post. Where the fuck did these FDEs come from? Where did these experts all of a sudden come from? Hey, dude. The matrix language. Where the no, because I want to know where the fuck they came from.

SPEAKER_06 46:32

They're invented. Oh they were invented out of 10 air. He snuck in college graduates, right? Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, that's for deploying. I'm sure McKinsey came up with that idea. Or I know Alex Scarp came up with it. Deployed? Yeah, yeah. And they're gonna wait. Oh, okay. Remember, Olivia, remember it we did tests with Azure. We uh what were they called? Azure Cloud Architects or something like that, where we embedded Azure experts in with the companies because they weren't adopting, and so the whole point was get those guys in there, hold guns to their heads and make them consume more Azure hours. Yeah, because because who else was doing that? Oh, AWS did it. They embedded people in companies. That's exactly what IBM did it too before that.

SPEAKER_04 47:22

So yeah, and yeah, and people have done that on the hardware side of things, like Welcome have been sending like hundreds of engineers with their own.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

Design engineers in there to help companies, right? Hey guys, I apologize. I do need to bail, but happy weekend for everyone.

SPEAKER_08 47:36

All right, yeah, happy 250th. All right, yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_04 47:42

Are you in a cemetery? Beach is not 250.

SPEAKER_06 47:45

I'm in a cemetery. I am now. You're right. I was walking around and I found a bench. Um, it kind of makes it funny, but um, you know what? Let me find.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

I'll find you need to find uh can you find the zoom headstone? Yeah, this is I see the zoom headstone.

SPEAKER_06 48:06

Wait, wait, wait for it. I'm seeing some I'm seeing some flags. I'm seeing some flags. So wait for it. Here we go. I see it. Oh, I see a special American 250 flag.

SPEAKER_08 48:17

But here's the problem. Um the GSIs have already invested so much money. Oh god, dude. Oh, wow. There you go. Ah, there you go.

SPEAKER_06 48:30

There you go.

SPEAKER_08 48:31

There we go.

SPEAKER_06 48:33

I didn't step on it. I promise I didn't step on it. I didn't step on that marine. Oh, here's one. Lieutenant Colonel of Vietnam. Alright. Woo-hoo!

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 48:51

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:54

One in Europe.

SPEAKER_06 48:56

I'm at a cemetery in Camus, Washington, which is a little tiny mill town across the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon.

SPEAKER_08 49:04

Oh wow, wow.

SPEAKER_06 49:07

But headed up to up heading up north to central Washington to Lake Shallan for the 4th of July. So that'll be that'll be fun.

SPEAKER_04 49:16

Yeah, no, like temperatures are gonna be nice, no wildfires. That's uh that's good.

SPEAKER_06 49:21

Hopefully no wildfires.

SPEAKER_04 49:23

Yeah. No wildfires. Good. I didn't see any. I didn't see any. It's not hot enough here.

SPEAKER_08 49:30

Yeah, that's not right. Absolutely. Yeah. But remember, I want everyone to remember that I have 20 years of experience as a Ford deployed uh engineer, so you know.

SPEAKER_06 49:44

Yeah, you're the guy.

SPEAKER_08 49:47

They're just consultants people, and the GSIs have tried to make this happen. The AI stuff happened, and look, just go and look at where they are right now. They're not having a good time. And so this is this is they're late to the game, you know.

SPEAKER_06 50:02

Wait a second. What if back in 2010 we had four deployed engineers for IoT? Instead of everyone trying to build platforms? Yeah, instead of building platforms and instead of Olivier doing his talk show, you know, maybe if we had the four deployed engineers.

SPEAKER_04 50:21

I should have gone and and you know, do my own business and do it for them? That's what you're saying?

SPEAKER_08 50:25

Yeah. Ian Uriarte. In your arte.

SPEAKER_04 50:30

Um I'm actually doing that on the site as well, right now. Like we are like Supergrove.

SPEAKER_06 50:36

Yeah, those guys are in the kids. Bill, build sooner, build, build sooner, build sooner, get the people out there. Solve problems. Of all the different technologies out there, IoT is one of the simplest. It really is. I know it's I don't know why people have such a hard time like that.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

Build earlier, but don't sacrifice your point of view. I mean, there's so many people that lack a real point of view. They they just you you hear the same rhetoric regurgitated over and over again, and no one has a true point of view that they're willing to stand on. And that yeah, I see that so so frequently. I mean, we're seeing a repeat of that. We saw with IoT, we saw it with Smart Grid, we saw it with I mean, we see it non-stop, and it's well, what's your point of view? Well, I'm sorry, my point of view does not align with yours because I don't I don't subscribe to that. Oh, now you're now you're a naysayer. No, I just have a different point of view, and I'm building something on that point of view, and and let's and let's go. I mean, from twin perspective, I've been operationally focused and could care less about the 3D model. Yeah, right. Said that for years and continue to say it.

SPEAKER_06 52:00

Yeah, yeah. Think about think about like if we if it just our time doing Azure IT and all the technologies that were added to it over time, all the different types of analytics and everything. We spent all our time talking about the tech and talking about this new tech and new feature, and now this is gonna fix it and whatever. And as it turns out the use cases are more valuable. It turns out, you know, this is the big you know eye-opener for me writing this book. All hundred of these use cases that can move the needle for all society can be done super easily with the V1 of IoT hub and you know, just the dumbest analytics. You know, that's why I said, hey, use any IoT platform. They're all good enough, every one of them. But we spend so much time talking about feeds and speeds and tech, interoperability, and I think people's eyes glazed over. You're supposed to, in sales, you're supposed to talk about the solution and the outcome and what it's gonna do for you. And somebody forgot about that. And we talked about tech the whole time. Talk about the outcome, and gosh, the shit's easy. IoT is the simplest shit we've ever come up with.

SPEAKER_08 53:10

IoT started four years ago, right, Mark?

unknown 53:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:16

Yeah, that's what we were talking about. We were saying, look, you guys need to think about solutions. Don't think about, don't talk about platforms so much.

SPEAKER_04 53:26

There's one thing I systematically say to anyone who submits a blog or wants to talk about something on a show, whatever. I tell them if you're not able to easily answer the question, what's in it for the audience? Yeah, like there's no point saying anything. So what's in it for them is what matters. The technology, the way you present it, doesn't matter. What matters is what's in it for them. That's what people care about.

SPEAKER_06 53:51

Yeah. You're absolutely right, man. Yeah. Absolutely. No, you're right. What's in it for me, man? Uh what's uh what problems is it solving? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Well, I mean, if if the majority of the people that you asked that question to actually answer it honestly, you might only have like three episodes a month. I mean, seriously, or less.

SPEAKER_04 54:15

You might be right. You might be right. Well, well, that's a build, there's an interesting thing, which is when you are at an intersection of the technology and the developer relations, there's an easy answer to that question when the audience is a developer. What's in it for the developer? You can turn anything into what's the interesting part of that thing that developers should care about.

SPEAKER_08 54:40

Here's the interesting thing. Sometimes the developers are wondering what problems should we solve. Yeah, sometimes no, I I I see it with network APIs, dude.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

Well, so here's the thing though about it.

SPEAKER_08 54:58

I don't find markets there.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

I think so. Here's the the interesting thing. I've here's the interesting thing of experience a lot on the IT show. Someone comes with a shiny object, yeah, they're convinced it's the best thing in the world because they've been working on that for the last five years, and they're a developer, and they're just like, oh, whatever developer means, and they're just like, This is my fantastic technology. And now I'm turning to them and telling them, okay, so what's in it for my audience? And and literally, you know, is that thing in shred? And they start asking themselves that question as well. And it's just like, hey, what is it for? They're trying to find a a nail to hit with their hammer on. Um, and and you tell them, you know, look the other way around and try and find, you know, the hammer that will that will, you know, put the nail in rather than the other way around. And so it's it's um it's something that yes, you have these types of developers, very often they're like the innovators, whatever, they have this super interesting thing. But now you have this idea of that company, uh that uh Pete Trademarked that uh consists in finding the right solutions that these people didn't think about for their technology and their solutions, right? There must be something that they can do, right? But uh but developers, developers in general, they when you you really help them focus on that question, what's in it for me or for the audience? Yeah, they step back and they they they try and find answers. If they don't have an answer, they go back home and like go to something else. Um yeah, it's the conversation to have in my opinion.

SPEAKER_08 56:33

But isn't it different that we always arrive at this? It doesn't matter whether it's for IoT or it's for AI or it's for uh network APIs or blah blah blah. We arrive at the same problem, you know. And so yeah, the work that you and Mark do, uh it's it's it's great stuff. It's tricky, um, probably far underappreciated, but I know that um you know the organization you guys work with uh greatly appreciates that because developers for them is are everything at the moment.

SPEAKER_04 57:07

So there's lots of internal evangelism as well. It's like even like when you're working with companies like that, you have some of these people with them.

SPEAKER_06 57:16

So yeah, you know, a friend of mine reminded me about the whole remember, remember those guys at CERN, Olivier, the two French guys at CERN that did Web of things. And I remember when they came out with their book, and I was like, because you're right, I'm sometimes over practical. IoT, I'm just moving data from these sensors back to some place and I'm gonna do something with it. And so these guys came up with the whole deal. It's like, we're spending all our time on these edge, you know, bleeding edge technologies do IoT. Couldn't I just do it with existing web standards? The answer is yes, you can. You know, you can use REST, you can use JSON, you can use JavaScript, you can use all kinds of stuff that's all and they built a whole recommendation for the W3C. I remember getting just eviscerated and blasted by people for supporting that stuff because it wasn't bleeding edge enough or cool enough or whatever. And I'm just like, come on, guys. We're we're not you know this, we're not building rocket ships to Mars here. We're just moving data from a sensor to some other place where I'm gonna do something about it. So get over it.

SPEAKER_05 58:19

Yeah, but be careful, be careful. They weren't not French, they were Swiss.

SPEAKER_06 58:24

There were Swiss French people. I know, I know those people. I know those people.

SPEAKER_07 58:34

I know you guys.

SPEAKER_06 58:35

I was a resident of Lausanne. I know those Swiss people, and they seem very French to me.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

Well, I mean, you know, just here's here's here's something that I'll I'll I I will close on. Did you did you guys see Cognite get bought? Yeah. No three point two billion dollars billion dollars by Schneider Electric.

SPEAKER_06 59:10

That's insane. I can go build cognites technology over the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

Look, I'm I'm sitting there, I'm I'm like mind-blowing. Schneider has Schneider purchased Aviva for 4.4 billion dollars. Right? They bought OSI Soft. Yeah, yeah, for oh geez, yeah, for for like some odd five billion dollars.

SPEAKER_08 59:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

I'm going where the is your kid in the room?

SPEAKER_08 59:46

No.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

Where the fuck are the billions for us? Yes, yes, coming.

SPEAKER_08 59:52

Maybe we'll get for a billion. Um you know what, man, it it's just it it's some stupid, stupid stuff going on, man. Uh it's straight up, everything is meme. And um, you know, a lot of these companies just uh they have no idea what to do at the moment. Seriously.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:16

Um talking about that if you tried Mythos today. It's open again.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:21

Woohoo! That's gonna consume the planet with Mythos today.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:29

What happened? What happened?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:31

It's open again.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:32

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:34

The uh fable fighting Mythos is a Trojan horse from an alien race that's trying to take over the planet Earth.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

And they're gonna give you a all that was was the fans the fans saying, give us a head start.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:48

Dude, I I don't trust any of this stuff. Can you imagine all the people who made you know basically uh use the free versions to create a AI girlfriend or boyfriend? You know what I'm saying? You know, they probably harvest all those tokens, right, into KV cash and then use that as training data. So now you probably have all your weird, intimate stuff sitting in there. Uh oh my god, people crazy. Yeah, crazy. Um have no idea what I got to deal with. But why don't you take us out, man? Take us out since you're in a very patriotic location.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:27

Sure. All right, everybody. Thanks for joining us on IIT Coffee Talk. Celebrating America 250, USA, USA. Um exactly. We're gonna have fireworks. Make sure that if you have fireworks, don't blow them up in your hand because your hand will blow off. It's not good, so don't do that. Um, you know, follow the rules of your town or your city or whatever. Um, it's exciting times, you know. You don't get 250 every day, right? Uh holding it together, the great experiment of democracy with help from our friends in France at Yorktown, and a bunch of thinkers came up with all these ideas. And so we're still trying it out, and the struggle is sometimes real, but we're kind of holding it together. So let's keep holding it together for another 250 folks. It's uh it's a pretty badass thing. Yeah, it is on the other side. Woohoo! Or as we say in the military, it's uh land of the free because of the break.